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            <title>DEMOCRATS ABANDON WORKING AMERICANS</title>
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            <author>nobody@vox.com(The Historian)</author>
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            <description>    &lt;h3 class=&quot;post-title entry-title&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/07/democrats-abandon-working-americans.html&quot;&gt;DEMOCRATS ABANDON WORKING AMERICANS&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/h3&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://bp3.blogger.com/_XUJQnJBlydc/SIieqMINU6I/AAAAAAAAAko/PCjWTUgaP2E/s1600-h/americans.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;img alt=&quot;&quot; id=&quot;BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5226601815210808226&quot; src=&quot;http://bp3.blogger.com/_XUJQnJBlydc/SIieqMINU6I/AAAAAAAAAko/PCjWTUgaP2E/s400/americans.jpg&quot; style=&quot;DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;If you have not noticed, the far left has taken control of the levers of power within the Democrat party. Pelosi, Reid and Dean (just to name three) are part of the far left wing of the party that has moved into positions of party control. If you need more proof consider that the party is about to formally nominate the most radically leftist presidential candidate in the modern era and given some of their recent nominees, including McGovern, that is saying a bunch.&lt;/p&gt;The far left has traditionally had an anti-America agenda and there is no more solid evidence of that fact than the story that follows. The Democrat party has a history of at least speaking on behalf of the average working man and woman but not now, not with the extreme left in charge of the party.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As American families sink into poverty, foreclosure and bankruptcy primarily due to extremely high energy prices and the impact those increases have throughout the economy and thus the family budget, the Democrat leadership (read far leftists) refuse to allow a VOTE in Congress on utilizing more of our domestic energy resources.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why? Because they know that measures to increase our energy supplies would easily pass any such vote with significant bipartisan support. Thus the far leftists hijack our democratic process to prevent any relief for American families.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We all get to vote in November. It is past time to throw these radicals and all their pals out of office and elect people who will work in the best interest of the American people and their families. Be very careful who you vote for this year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The wrong choice could cost you your home and your way of life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-large&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;FONT-SIZE: 130%&quot;&gt;Democrats Against Drilling&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and other liberal leaders on Capitol Hill are gripped by cold-sweat terror. If they permit a vote on offshore drilling, they know they will lose when Blue Dogs and oil-patch Democrats defect to the GOP position of increasing domestic energy production. So the last failsafe is to shut down Congress.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Majority Leader Reid has decided that deliberation is too taxing for &amp;quot;the world&amp;#39;s greatest deliberative body.&amp;quot; This week he cut off serious energy amendments to his antispeculation bill. Then Senate Appropriations baron Robert Byrd abruptly canceled a bill markup planned for today where Republicans intended to press the issue. Mr. Byrd&amp;#39;s counterpart in the House, David Obey, is enforcing a similar lockdown. Speaker Pelosi says she won&amp;#39;t allow even a debate before Congress&amp;#39;s August recess begins in eight days.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She and Mr. Reid are cornered by substance. The upward pressure on oil prices is caused by rising world-wide consumption and limited growth in supplies. Yet at least 65% of America&amp;#39;s undiscovered, recoverable oil, and 40% of its natural gas, is hostage to the Congressional drilling moratorium.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Democratic leadership is trying to smother any awareness of their responsibility for high prices. They are also trying to quash a revolt among Democrats who realize that the country is still dependent on fossil fuels, no matter how loudly quasimystical environmentalists like Al Gore claim otherwise.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;URL for this article:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121685595088379073.html&quot; style=&quot;FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helv, Helvetica&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #5588aa&quot;&gt;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121685595088379073.html&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Copyright 2008 Dow Jones &amp;amp; Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;

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            <title>Ah, McCain, what a pain...</title>
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                                                &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h5&gt;&lt;h5 style=&quot;margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 1px;&quot;&gt;&lt;a name=&quot;11b533580671759d_642836df-85b7-438a-a82d-b59c077db966&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 17px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h5&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crikey.com.au/&quot;&gt;http://www.crikey.com.au/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;h5 style=&quot;margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 1px;&quot;&gt;&lt;a name=&quot;11b533580671759d_642836df-85b7-438a-a82d-b59c077db966&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 17px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;2
                                                .&amp;#160;Rundle08: God&amp;#39;s hand in McCain&amp;#39;s stormy weather&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h5&gt;
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                                        &lt;em&gt;Guy Rundle writes from Corpus Christi, Texas:&lt;/em&gt;
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                                        &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Down
on the waterfront,&amp;#160;80 km/h&amp;#160;winds are whipping the palms. The storm, the
outer edge of Hurricane Dolly, rages for an hour and then abates as one
arm of the conflagration sweeps past, with another following an hour
later. Further south, on the border, Port Isobel and Brownsville are
getting hit by the full force level two centre of the thing. It&amp;#39;s no
Katrina&amp;#160;-- at Port Isobel, the surfers have already returned to the
waves -- but it&amp;#39;s pulling metal off the roofs, and throwing trash down
the street. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Your
correspondent, hearing that the weather might get interesting, either
north or south, flipped a coin, jumped on a bus north, as Dolly headed
south. So to speak. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Bad
luck, but it doesn&amp;#39;t compare to the impact Dolly has had on John
McCain. Looking for an opportunity to sharpen the difference between
Grandpa and Young Jesus Obama on the issue of offshore drilling, team
McCain had lined up a visit to an oil-rig. Great visuals, metal
everywhere, grimy workers, everyone covered in the black stuff. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Trouble
was, the visit had been arranged for this week, and the rig was off the
coast of Louisiana. As the US Navy and Air Force moved destroyers and
planes out of the Gulf&amp;#160;-- an aircraft carrier is still bobbing in
Corpus Christi harbour&amp;#160;-- and the whole oil industry shut down, it
became clear that the proposed visit had turned into another disaster.
Why? Well, the principal objection to offshore drilling, and one
currently pooh-poohed by the pro-drilling crowd, has been the risk of a
coastal environmental disaster from a ... hurricane. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Poor
old John. The bloke can&amp;#39;t take a trick at the moment. But worse, the
political bad weather seems to be affecting the judgment of both McCain
himself and his staff. The most visible sign of desperation has been
the usual one&amp;#160;-- the campaign is starting to attack the press. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Hot
on the heels of a statement assailing the media for being &amp;quot;in love
with&amp;quot; Obama, team Mac issued joke press passes to its beleaguered
corps, nominating them as the &amp;quot;JV squad&amp;quot;&amp;#160;-- the reserves. On the
obverse side, the same card was rendered in French, with a pic of a
stock Frenchman, a reference to ...well God knows exactly what, but a
lot of time and energy that could have been best placed elsewhere went
into it. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
&amp;quot;blame the press&amp;quot; shtick looks even worse than usual, because it was
McCain that goaded Obama into taking the Iraq trip in the first place,
and his media courtiers who then talked up the possibility that Obama
would fall apart, and get jammed up on his alleged errors in Iraq
policy. The press would have gone along en masse in any case, but the
thing was so hyped that it made it look like McCain had wanted them to.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
whole fuss generated a classic remark from former Bush speechwriter
David (&amp;quot;Axis of Evil&amp;quot;) Frum: &amp;quot;I don&amp;#39;t know why everyone says Obama is
so fascinating, John McCain&amp;#39;s a historic figure, he&amp;#39;s the oldest
candidate for President ever&amp;quot; which is a lay down misere for the most
ridiculous comment ever. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;McCain
has most of the evangelical vote, but if you were a believer in an
interventionist God, you would have to be wondering whether Obama isn&amp;#39;t
receiving the gift of providence, a candidate ordained to deliver the
US from the failure of its decadent ruling class. By this theory, the
wildly improbable rise of a half-Kenyan raised in Indonesia to the
highest office in the land could only come because God thinks that the
only person who can save the country is someone who is essentially
outside of it, and not bound by its suffocatingly neurotic self-regard,
and endless self-reassurance. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;But
God realises that we are slow on the uptake, and that he can&amp;#39;t afford
to be subtle&amp;#160;-- so while the providential candidate VISITS JERUSALEM,
GOD DESTROYS HIS OPPONENT&amp;#39;S CAMPAIGN SCHEDULE WITH A HURRICANE. If
you&amp;#39;ve got a better explanation for this week past, I&amp;#39;d be happy to
hear it. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Meanwhile
the storm is whipping through the beachfront towers of Corpus Christi,
body of Christ. Something I never knew happened: the wind carried sound
for miles and six floors up, I can hear conversations on the street,
and music from a bar half a mile away. Fragmentary, coming and going
and fighting the furious static of fast air, it is as if the whole city
is talking to itself, and listening. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://redirect.cmailer.com.au/LinkRedirector.aspx?clid=e0a7aac5-5eec-452e-8b83-ae9b77cf338a&amp;amp;rid=6851c6fb-0f8d-41df-8aca-f74d3f497f9f&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.crikey.com.au/Media/images/080612-US-MEDIA-WRAP2-476137a1-dbe5-44ac-8232-c7149626c899.jpg&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;McCain falters on foreign policy and Obama and McCain&amp;#39;s Iraq strategy... &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Get a taste of the best commentary on the subject from the US Media Wrap &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://redirect.cmailer.com.au/LinkRedirector.aspx?clid=6c9fe738-0cce-44c3-83f9-3e2a6b02fd3e&amp;amp;rid=6851c6fb-0f8d-41df-8aca-f74d3f497f9f&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;here&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;

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            <title>CLEAR VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE</title>
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            <description>    &lt;h3 class=&quot;post-title entry-title&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/07/clear-vote-of-no-confidence.html&quot;&gt;CLEAR VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/h3&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://bp1.blogger.com/_XUJQnJBlydc/SId7AhwSX1I/AAAAAAAAAkg/dMqAB42T4kw/s1600-h/unpopular.bmp&quot;&gt;&lt;img alt=&quot;&quot; id=&quot;BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5226281141577867090&quot; src=&quot;http://bp1.blogger.com/_XUJQnJBlydc/SId7AhwSX1I/AAAAAAAAAkg/dMqAB42T4kw/s400/unpopular.bmp&quot; style=&quot;DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;What does it say when American have more confidence in HMO&amp;#39;s, big business and organized labor than they have confidence in Congress?&lt;/p&gt;Answer: the people intuitively if not intellectually recognize phonies and self-serving hogs when they see them. Our Congressional politicians represent the epitome of a &amp;#39;me over thee&amp;#39; mindset that drives them to focus on securing their own positions at the public trough while ignoring the welfare of the nation and her people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For instance while regular working Americans struggle to meet their monthly expenses due to an economy wide ripple effect from gas prices, our reprehensibles in Congress are quietly discussing the possibility of raising the federal tax on a gallon of gas by at least ten cents if not more. Why? To pander to and collect campaign money from special interest groups so that they can win the next election and keep their seat at the trough. After all, what do they care about the rest of us once the voting is done?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our elected officials are profiles in greed, not in courage. They will say whatever is necessary to get our votes and thereafter do what their special interest group or identity group donors want done regardless of the cost to middle America.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fact is, these people are despicable. Expect their ratings to go even lower. More to the point: never vote for an incumbent!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;FONT-SIZE: 130%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-large&quot;&gt;Congressional Performance&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Congressional Approval Falls to Single Digits for First Time Ever&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history. This month, just 9% say Congress is doing a good or excellent job. Most voters (52%) say Congress is doing a poor job, which ties the record high in that dubious category.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america_archive/congressional_ratings_hit_all_time_lows_30_say_most_in_congress_corrupt&quot; target=&quot;_self&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #5588aa&quot;&gt;Last month&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, 11% of voters gave the legislature good or excellent ratings. Congress has not received higher than a 15% approval rating since the beginning of 2008.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The percentage of Democrats who give Congress positive ratings fell from 17% last month to 13% this month. The number of Democrats who give Congress a poor rating remained unchanged. Among Republicans, 8% give Congress good or excellent ratings, up just a point from last month. Sixty-five percent (65%) of GOP voters say Congress is doing a poor job, down a single point from last month.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Voters not affiliated with either party are the most critical of Congressional performance. Just 3% of those voters give Congress positive ratings, down from 6% last month. Sixty-three percent (63%) believe Congress is doing a poor job, up from 57% last month.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just 12% of voters think Congress has passed any legislation to improve life in this country over the past six months. That number has ranged from 11% to 13% throughout 2008. The majority of voters (62%) say Congress has not passed any legislation to improve life in America.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Voters hold little positive sentiment about the future. Just 41% find it at least somewhat likely that Congress will address important problems facing our nation in the near future, while 55% find this unlikely.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Despite these negative attitudes towards Congress, Democrats continue to enjoy a double digit lead on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_ballot/generic_congressional_ballot&quot; target=&quot;_self&quot; title=&quot;http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_ballot/generic_congressional_ballot&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #5588aa&quot;&gt;Generic Congressional Ballot.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; Also, Barack Obama holds a modest lead over John McCain in the Rasmussen Reports daily &lt;a href=&quot;http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll&quot; target=&quot;_self&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #5588aa&quot;&gt;Presidential Tracking Poll&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. Other key stats on Election 2008 can be found at &lt;a href=&quot;http://rasmussenreports.com/scoreboards/by_the_numbers2/by_the_numbers&quot; target=&quot;_self&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #5588aa&quot;&gt;Obama-McCain: By the Numbers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most voters (72%) think most members of Congress are more interested in furthering their own political careers. Just 14% believe members are genuinely interested in helping people.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;

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            <description>    &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alternet.org/blogs/waroniraq/92274/&quot;&gt;http://www.alternet.org/blogs/waroniraq/92274/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.5625em;&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;margin-left: 10px;&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;storyheadline&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.5625em;&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;New York Times Spares McCain Embarrassment By Rejecting Op-Ed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;strong&gt;Posted by  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/linkins/?ses=6554c71e7e52488d13d961aec4f04e64&quot; title=&quot;View all stories by Jason Linkins&quot;&gt;Jason Linkins&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/&quot;&gt;Huffington Post&lt;/a&gt; at  4:03 PM on July 21, 2008.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		NYT didn&amp;#39;t publish McCain&amp;#39;s op-ed, but since &amp;quot;he wants the attention, let&amp;#39;s give it to him.&amp;quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;storycontainer&quot;&gt;
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As anyone who hasn&amp;#39;t been living under a boulder knows by now, John
McCain has always enjoyed an extra-special relationship with the press,
who care for the Presidential nominee as one might nurture an orphaned
lamb, doing him no end of solids. For example, even though Barack Obama
has consistently led in the polls since clinching the Democratic
nomination, we are told that this is Good For McCain, because according
to something written on the Ancient and Illuminated Manuscript of Press
Corps Conventional Wisdom, Obama should be leading by &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt;,
and his waste should smell like Springtime in Vermont. Also, when
McCain visits Europe, it burnishes his Presidential pedigree, but if
Obama does so, it makes him look un-American.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now, however, the McCain camp is angry at their special friend, specifically the &lt;em&gt;New York Times&lt;/em&gt;,
because the paper of record spiked an op-ed column that McCain had
prepared in response to a similar offering from Obama. McCain&amp;#39;s
surrogates are flush with outrage over this. But I&amp;#39;ve now read the
piece, and it&amp;#39;s pretty clear to me that the &lt;em&gt;Times&lt;/em&gt;&amp;#39; decision, if anything, is in keeping with the press&amp;#39; traditional friendly relationship. The &lt;em&gt;Times&lt;/em&gt;
put bros before prose, and in so doing, spared McCain no end of
embarrassment, because the op-ed is rivetingly dumb and laden with
inaccuracies. None of which would have come to my attention if the
candidate had done the smart thing and kept his mouth shut! But since
he wants the attention, let&amp;#39;s give it to him.
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&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;In January 2007, when General David Petraeus took
command in Iraq, he called the situation &amp;quot;hard&amp;quot; but not &amp;quot;hopeless.&amp;quot;
Today, 18 months later, violence has fallen by up to 80% to the lowest
levels in four years, and Sunni and Shiite terrorists are reeling from
a string of defeats. The situation now is full of hope, but
considerable hard work remains to consolidate our fragile gains.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;An
inauspicious beginning! Surely the last thing McCain, as an Iraq War
advocate, needs to be doing right now is pointing out that four years
ago, things were really horrible in Iraq, and after an Olympic season
of Surge and sturm and drang, we&amp;#39;ve only managed to &lt;em&gt;almost get the level of horror back to where it was when it was horrible&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Progress
has been due primarily to an increase in the number of troops and a
change in their strategy. I was an early advocate of the surge at a
time when it had few supporters in Washington. Senator Barack Obama was
an equally vocal opponent. &amp;quot;I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional
troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there,&amp;quot; he said
on January 10, 2007. &amp;quot;In fact, I think it will do the reverse.&amp;quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As
all &amp;quot;Surge&amp;quot; proponents tend to do, McCain overlooks a situation that
was unfolding in Baghdad contemporaneously with the &amp;quot;Surge,&amp;quot; namely a &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/04/03/ware-sectarian-cleansing/&quot;&gt;massive campaign of sectarian cleansing&lt;/a&gt; that expelled people from their homes, hardened neighborhoods, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-02/2008-02-27-voa3.cfm?CFID=7253661&amp;amp;CFTOKEN=83002677&quot;&gt;created a massive internal displacement problem&lt;/a&gt;.
Violence dropped as a result of the factions getting what they wanted
-- the people they were killing out of their neighborhoods.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also,
isn&amp;#39;t it time that McCain stopped getting credit for being an &amp;quot;early
advocate&amp;quot; of the Surge that President Bush was going to implement
anyway? I was an early advocate and a vocal supporter of all of the
Washington Redskins Superbowl victories, but you don&amp;#39;t see me asking
for a ring!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Now Senator Obama has been forced
to acknowledge that &amp;quot;our troops have performed brilliantly in lowering
the level of violence.&amp;quot; But he still denies that any political progress
has resulted.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think that when Obama denies that any political progress has resulted, it&amp;#39;s probably because &lt;em&gt;no political progress has resulted.&lt;/em&gt;
Indeed, the &amp;quot;Surge&amp;quot; was supposed to &amp;quot;create space&amp;quot; for the Iraqi
government to reach a level of functionality. What&amp;#39;s the impediment?
Well, according to a majority of Iraqi legislators, that &amp;quot;space&amp;quot; has
been occupied by &lt;em&gt;the occupation&lt;/em&gt;. They said so in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/05/majority-of-iraqi-legisla_n_105427.html&quot;&gt;the letter they sent to Congress&lt;/a&gt;, attesting to this:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Likewise,
we wish to inform you that the majority of Iraqi representatives
strongly reject any military-security, economic, commercial,
agricultural, investment or political agreement with the United States
that is not linked to clear mechanisms that obligate the occupying
American military forces to fully withdraw from Iraq, in accordance
with a declared timetable and without leaving behind any military
bases, soldiers or hired fighters.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#39;t know...it seems like Obama might be aware of this!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Perhaps
he is unaware that the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad has recently certified
that, as one news article put it, &amp;quot;Iraq has met all but three of 18
original benchmarks set by Congress last year to measure security,
political and economic progress.&amp;quot; Even more heartening has been
progress that&amp;#39;s not measured by the benchmarks. More than 90,000
Iraqis, many of them Sunnis who once fought against the government,
have signed up as Sons of Iraq to fight against the terrorists. Nor do
they measure Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki&amp;#39;s new-found willingness to
crack down on Shiite extremists in Basra and Sadr City -- actions that
have done much to dispel suspicions of sectarianism.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Wow.
That&amp;#39;s a mouthful of nonsense to parse. It&amp;#39;s not the U.S. Embassy in
Iraq who&amp;#39;s made such a claim, it&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;Surge&amp;quot; architect and
editorial-page-welfare recipient Fred Kagan who&amp;#39;s contended that the
Iraq has had benchmark success. This is a claim that CNN Reporter &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/09/kagan-benchmarks/?sortby=toprated&quot;&gt;Michael Ware has already debunked&lt;/a&gt;. In truth, on benchmarks, it would be more accurate to say &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/01/benchmark.html&quot;&gt;McCain has it precisely backwards&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also, it&amp;#39;s really unfortunate to see McCain citing the Sunnis here as a sign for the better, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.juancole.com/2008/06/huge-bombing-in-mosul-targets-governor.html&quot;&gt;especially at a time when&lt;/a&gt;
&amp;quot;the Sunni Arab guerrilla movement against the US and the Iraqi
government has regrouped and reorganized, and is effectively lashing
out again.&amp;quot; And al-Maliki&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;willingness&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;crack down&amp;quot; on uprisings
in Barsa and Sadr City is mostly spirit. The flesh, on the other hand,
has been weak. Al-Maliki&amp;#39;s troops were proven unready for prime time,
leaving U.S. forces to once again &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;amp;ct=res&amp;amp;cd=1&amp;amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fwp-dyn%2Fcontent%2Farticle%2F2008%2F03%2F27%2FAR2008032700781.html&amp;amp;ei=VeCESKOKMKHAet2ppZML&amp;amp;usg=AFQjCNFt3a0BOC1K9-8GcNfJw2-OAuE_UQ&amp;amp;sig2=x1yqa4qr6iDYQuIYuhPekA&quot;&gt;take the lead&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; in ending the crisis.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The
success of the surge has not changed Senator Obama&amp;#39;s determination to
pull out all of our combat troops. All that has changed is his
rationale. In a New York Times op-ed and a speech this week, he offered
his &amp;quot;plan for Iraq&amp;quot; in advance of his first &amp;quot;fact finding&amp;quot; trip to that
country in more than three years. It consisted of the same old proposal
to pull all of our troops out within 16 months. In 2007 he wanted to
withdraw because he thought the war was lost. If we had taken his
advice, it would have been. Now he wants to withdraw because he thinks
Iraqis no longer need our assistance.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You&amp;#39;d think,
of course, that had the military operation been a &amp;quot;success,&amp;quot; that the
rationale for withdrawal would be self-evident. At any rate, Obama&amp;#39;s
&amp;quot;plan for Iraq&amp;quot; pretty overtly stipulates that he wants to withdraw the
troops from Iraq so that we might prevail over the terrorists who
attacked us and who have benefited from Bush and McCain&amp;#39;s policy of
appeasement.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;To make this point, he mangles
the evidence. He makes it sound as if Prime Minister Maliki has
endorsed the Obama timetable, when all he has said is that he would
like a plan for the eventual withdrawal of U.S. troops at some
unspecified point in the future.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Uhm, actually? To
suggest that Obama has &amp;quot;made it sound&amp;quot; like al-Maliki has said
something he didn&amp;#39;t say distorts the fact that al-Maliki has been
clearly and consistently voicing his opinion that we need for a
timetable for withdrawal. And after reports yesterday that he was
walking those statements back, Maliki, as of this very morning, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/21/latest-clarification-al-m_n_114051.html&quot;&gt;endorsed the Obama timetable&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Senator
Obama is also misleading on the Iraqi military&amp;#39;s readiness. The Iraqi
Army will be equipped and trained by the middle of next year, but this
does not, as Senator Obama suggests, mean that they will then be ready
to secure their country without a good deal of help. The Iraqi Air
Force, for one, still lags behind, and no modern army can operate
without air cover. The Iraqis are also still learning how to conduct
planning, logistics, command and control, communications, and other
complicated functions needed to support frontline troops.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Funny
thing. You go to war because you have to stop a terrorist mastermind&amp;#39;s
powerful military from unleashing their awesome arsenal of diabolical
weapons of mass destruction, and you end up staying at war because the
military you defeated is no longer good for anything but a few laughs.
Nothing fails like success, I guess.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;No one
favors a permanent U.S. presence, as Senator Obama charges. A partial
withdrawal has already occurred with the departure of five &amp;quot;surge&amp;quot;
brigades, and more withdrawals can take place as the security situation
improves. As we draw down in Iraq, we can beef up our presence on other
battlefields, such as Afghanistan, without fear of leaving a failed
state behind. I have said that I expect to welcome home most of our
troops from Iraq by the end of my first term in office, in 2013.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You
see, when I read McCain saying things like, &amp;quot;A partial withdrawal has
already occurred with the departure of five &amp;#39;surge&amp;#39; brigades, and more
withdrawals can take place as the security situation improves. As we
draw down in Iraq, we can beef up our presence on other battlefields,
such as Afghanistan, without fear of leaving a failed state behind.&amp;quot; I
think: Yes, that is Barack Obama&amp;#39;s plan.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But McCain&amp;#39;s endorsement
of the Obama Doctrine is bookended by two inane statements. In the
first place, the United States favors a permanent U.S. presence. We
are, at this moment, spending many a taxpayer dollar &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2005/03/enduring_bases_iraq.html&quot;&gt;building &amp;quot;enduring&amp;quot; bases&lt;/a&gt;. One such base, located on the banks of the Tigris, will &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&amp;amp;code=20070124&amp;amp;articleId=4579&quot;&gt;be as large as Vatican City&lt;/a&gt;. If McCain doesn&amp;#39;t know this, then one can hardly take him for the spending hawk he claims to be.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Additionally,
it&amp;#39;s just seems to me that if McCain wants to insist on people not
criticizing him for being dotty, he&amp;#39;s simply going to have to stop
saying things like he&amp;#39;s going to &amp;quot;welcome home most of our troops from
Iraq&amp;quot; one sentence after committing them to &amp;quot;beef[ing] up our presence&amp;quot;
in Afghanistan.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;But I have also said that any
draw-downs must be based on a realistic assessment of conditions on the
ground, not on an artificial timetable crafted for domestic political
reasons. This is the crux of my disagreement with Senator Obama.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Actually,
it&amp;#39;s also the crux of your disagreement with the sovereign government
of Iraq, who back Obama&amp;#39;s call for a timetable. And wouldn&amp;#39;t you call
the sovereign government of Iraq a &amp;quot;condition on the ground?&amp;quot; McCain
once did!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;From 2004:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Question: &amp;quot;What would
or should we do if, in the post-June 30th period, a so-called sovereign
Iraqi government asks us to leave, even if we are unhappy about the
security situation there?&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;McCain:
&amp;quot;Well, if that scenario evolves than I think it&amp;#39;s obvious that we would
have to leave because -- if it was an elected government of Iraq, and
we&amp;#39;ve been asked to leave other places in the world. If it were an
extremist government then I think we would have other challenges, but I
don&amp;#39;t see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been
based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Based on McCain&amp;#39;s recent statements, one can only assume that McCain is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/08/is-mccain-poised-to-refin_n_111455.html&quot;&gt;now flip-flopping on the issue of Iraqi sovereignty&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Senator
Obama has said that he would consult our commanders on the ground and
Iraqi leaders, but he did no such thing before releasing his &amp;quot;plan for
Iraq.&amp;quot; Perhaps that&amp;#39;s because he doesn&amp;#39;t want to hear what they have to
say. During the course of eight visits to Iraq, I have heard many times
from our troops what Major General Jeffrey Hammond, commander of
coalition forces in Baghdad, recently said: that leaving based on a
timetable would be &amp;quot;very dangerous.&amp;quot; &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well, Obama&amp;#39;s got the Iraqi leaders &lt;em&gt;clamoring&lt;/em&gt; for a timetable now. And as far as our commanders on the ground go, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/22/clinton-closes-out-petrae_n_103142.html&quot;&gt;they&amp;#39;ve made it clear that they serve at the pleasure of the President&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;CLINTON:
And finally, General, if there were a decision by the President, in
your professional estimation, how long would a responsible withdrawal
from Iraq take?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;ODIERNO: Senator, it&amp;#39;s a
very difficult question, and the reason is, is because there are a
number of assumptions and factors that I&amp;#39;d have to understand
first...based on how do we want to leave the environmental issues in
Iraq, what would be the final end-state...what is the effect on the
ground, what is the security issue on the ground. So I don&amp;#39;t think I
can give you an answer now, but, certainly, at the time, if asked...and
we do planning, we do a significant amount of planning to make sure
that an appropriate answer was given, and we would lay out a timeline.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I
think that if you aren&amp;#39;t aware of what &amp;quot;Commander in Chief&amp;quot; means, you
really can&amp;#39;t claim to have crossed the &amp;quot;Commander in Chief threshold.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The
danger is that extremists supported by Al Qaeda and Iran could stage a
comeback, as they have in the past when we&amp;#39;ve had too few troops in
Iraq. Senator Obama seems to have learned nothing from recent history.
I find it ironic that he is emulating the worst mistake of the Bush
administration by waving the &amp;quot;Mission Accomplished&amp;quot; banner prematurely.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Of course, al Qaeda &lt;em&gt;has&lt;/em&gt;
staged a comeback precisely because we have too many troops in Iraq.
And the surplus of American firepower has done nothing to prevent the
expansion of Iranian influence in the region. This was made clear by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/04/in-congressional-hearings_n_105281.html&quot;&gt;one of the two Iraqi parliamentarians who traveled to the U.S. to offer testimony&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;KHALAF
al-ULAYYAN: And, unfortunately, now Iran is going into Iraq, and this
is under the umbrella of the American occupation of Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Finally, McCain concludes:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;I
am also dismayed that he never talks about winning the war -- only of
ending it. But if we don&amp;#39;t win the war, our enemies will. A triumph for
the terrorists would be a disaster for us. That is something I will not
allow to happen as president. Instead I will continue implementing a
proven counterinsurgency strategy not only in Iraq but also in
Afghanistan with the goal of creating stable, secure, self-sustaining
democratic allies.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Naturally, I&amp;#39;d have to point out
that McCain has, only recently, even suggested that his administration
might get back to the task of winning the war on terror, having first
announced a policy of &lt;em&gt;avoiding&lt;/em&gt; that war for one hundred years.
Only now has McCain put Afghanistan back in his foreign policy profile,
and McCain has no idea where the troops are going to come from to
support his &amp;quot;Surge Part Deux.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In short, there is just not one word of that op-ed that makes a lick of sense. Far from complaining, the McCain camp owes the &lt;em&gt;Times&lt;/em&gt; a little gratitude.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;
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            <description>    &lt;h3 class=&quot;post-title entry-title&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/07/truth-about-taxes-lying-about-rich.html&quot;&gt;THE TRUTH ABOUT TAXES: LYING ABOUT THE RICH&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/h3&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://bp0.blogger.com/_XUJQnJBlydc/SIYLQStvhWI/AAAAAAAAAkY/gNG9YRpWDGE/s1600-h/taxes.gif&quot;&gt;&lt;img alt=&quot;&quot; id=&quot;BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5225876792139548002&quot; src=&quot;http://bp0.blogger.com/_XUJQnJBlydc/SIYLQStvhWI/AAAAAAAAAkY/gNG9YRpWDGE/s400/taxes.gif&quot; style=&quot;DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;No I am not among the &amp;quot;rich&amp;quot; although I will volunteer for the role if someone wants to send in a big check. I am among those however that are simply tired of the lies about taxes and the &amp;quot;rich&amp;quot;. The facts and the numbers do not support the lies and the attempt to manipulate public opinion by doing nothing more than repeatedly shouting the lies in every forum is reprehensible.&lt;/p&gt;The accompanying article as well as the graph above present the facts about the impact of tax cuts on the percentage of federal income taxes paid by the &amp;quot;rich&amp;quot;. The summary is that when taxes are cut, the &amp;quot;rich&amp;quot; end up paying a larger percentage of the total income tax bill while the middle class and especially the poor pay a smaller percentage of the total bill.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What does that really mean? Tax increases currently being promised by Democrats in Congress and presidential candidate Obama will, in fact, screw the middle class and others on the lower end of the tax scale who can least afford an increased federal income tax obligation. But what is new about that? Politicians have demigod this issue for decades all the while squeezing the &amp;quot;little guy&amp;quot; out of more of his very moderate income.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fact is that if you want to soak the &amp;quot;rich&amp;quot; than lower tax rates (which by the way drive record receipts into the US Treasury) but if you want to really sock it to regular working Americans just raise taxes (which by the way drive down receipts to the federal government).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do politicians really care about those they claim to protect and promote? Many seem to think so but, of course, the facts tell a different story. Never listen to what a politician says since, as the saying goes, if their lips are moving they are lying. Judge politicians by the real outcomes of their often misleading agenda and wrongheaded actions. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No wonder our current Congress is ranked at the lowest level in the history of public opinion polls. Plan on that ranking to go even lower from there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-large&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;FONT-SIZE: 130%&quot;&gt;Their Fair Share&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Washington is teeing up &amp;quot;the rich&amp;quot; for a big tax hike next year, as a way to make them &amp;quot;pay their fair share.&amp;quot; Well, the latest IRS data have arrived on who paid what share of income taxes in 2006, and it&amp;#39;s going to be hard for the rich to pay any more than they already do. The data show that the 2003 Bush tax cuts caused what may be the biggest increase in tax payments by the rich in American history.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The nearby chart shows that the top 1% of taxpayers, those who earn above $388,806, paid 40% of all income taxes in 2006, the highest share in at least 40 years. The top 10% in income, those earning more than $108,904, paid 71%. Barack Obama says he&amp;#39;s going to cut taxes for those at the bottom, but that&amp;#39;s also going to be a challenge because Americans with an income below the median paid a record low 2.9% of all income taxes, while the top 50% paid 97.1%. Perhaps he thinks half the country should pay all the taxes to support the other half.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Aha, we are told: The rich paid more taxes because they made a greater share of the money. That is true. The top 1% earned 22% of all reported income. But they also paid a share of taxes not far from double their share of income. In other words, the tax code is already steeply progressive.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We also know from income mobility data that a very large percentage in the top 1% are &amp;quot;new rich,&amp;quot; not inheritors of fortunes. There is rapid turnover in the ranks of the highest income earners, so much so that people who started in the top 1% of income in the 1980s and 1990s suffered the largest declines in earnings of any income group over the subsequent decade, according to Treasury Department studies of actual tax returns. It&amp;#39;s hard to stay king of the hill in America for long.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The most amazing part of this story is the leap in the number of Americans who declared adjusted gross income of more than $1 million from 2003 to 2006. The ranks of U.S. millionaires nearly doubled to 354,000 from 181,000 in a mere three years after the tax cuts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is precisely what supply-siders predicted would happen with lower tax rates on capital gains, dividends and income. The economy and earnings would grow faster, which they did; investors would declare more capital gains and companies would pay out more dividends, which they did; the rich would invest less in tax shelters at lower tax rates, so their tax payments would rise, which did happen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The idea that this has been a giveaway to the rich is a figment of the left&amp;#39;s imagination. Taxes paid by millionaire households more than doubled to $274 billion in 2006 from $136 billion in 2003. No President has ever plied more money from the rich than George W. Bush did with his 2003 tax cuts. These tax payments from the rich explain the very rapid reduction in the budget deficit to 1.9% of GDP in 2006 from 3.5% in 2003.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This year, thanks to the credit mess and slower growth, taxes paid by the rich may fall and the deficit will rise. (The non stimulating tax rebates will also hurt the deficit.) Mr. Obama proposes to close this deficit by raising tax rates on the rich to their highest levels since the late 1970s. The very groups like the Congressional Budget Office and Tax Policy Center that wrongly predicted that the 2003 investment tax cuts would cost about $1 trillion in lost revenue are now saying that repealing those tax cuts would gain similar amounts. We&amp;#39;ll wager it&amp;#39;d gain a lot less.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If Mr. Obama does succeed in raising tax rates on the rich, we&amp;#39;d also wager that the rich share of tax payments would fall. The last time tax rates were as high as the Senator wants them -- the Carter years -- the rich paid only 19% of all income taxes, half of the 40% share they pay today. Why? Because they either worked less, earned less, or they found ways to shelter income from taxes so it was never reported to the IRS as income.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The way to soak the rich is with low tax rates, and last week&amp;#39;s IRS data provide more powerful validation of that proposition.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;URL for this article:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121659695380368965.html&quot; style=&quot;FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helv, Helvetica&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #5588aa&quot;&gt;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121659695380368965.html&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Copyright 2008 Dow Jones &amp;amp; Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://bp2.blogger.com/_XUJQnJBlydc/SIS4c0Qp54I/AAAAAAAAAkQ/l0BqsPteICY/s1600-h/postmodern.gif&quot;&gt;&lt;img alt=&quot;&quot; id=&quot;BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5225504272860964738&quot; src=&quot;http://bp2.blogger.com/_XUJQnJBlydc/SIS4c0Qp54I/AAAAAAAAAkQ/l0BqsPteICY/s400/postmodern.gif&quot; style=&quot;DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;What have our &amp;quot;elites&amp;quot; done to this country over the past several decades? Historian Victor Davis Hanson answers the question in the outstanding article that follows. You are well advised to read and consider every word.&lt;/p&gt;Much of the disconnect we seem to suffer from in the current era is well illustrated by the above cartoon. Elites in the media, in politics, in Hollywood, in academia and elsewhere speak to the rest of us much in the fashion that is lampooned therein. Why? Because they have convinced themselves that they know far better than we do about how we should lead our lives. For them, freedom is not something that should apply anywhere past their inclusive group. They think the common man should simply follow their much better informed directions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet as the Hanson piece postulates, guidance from elites has gotten us into the mess we find around us these days. There can be no doubt that the time has come to acknowledge that the path advocated by elites leads nowhere beyond decline and failure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They&amp;#39;ve had their run and it has not worked. It would be foolish to continue in the same direction. Let&amp;#39;s get ourselves back on track as Hanson advocates.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-large&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;FONT-SIZE: 130%&quot;&gt;Enter the Post-Post Era&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Americans should be tired of hearing that we are a post-industrial, postmodern, post-anything society.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;By Victor Davis Hanson&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the last 20 years, we were lectured constantly about “post-industrial” America.Experts proclaimed that the United States had evolved into an “information society” of “high-tech jobs.” The traditional sources of American strength — manufacturing, the production of food and fuel, and the assembling of cars and trucks — were apparently passé. Instead, others less fortunate abroad were to do those more grubby tasks, while Americans, with their BlackBerrys and laptops, funded, organized, lectured, and critiqued them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Illegal aliens might cook our meals or change our children’s diapers to free us up for far more important tasks of litigation, finance, and environmental review. The Chinese would make everything from our shoes to our phones. The Japanese would supply us with quality high-end goods like cars and cameras. The Africans, Arabs, Iranians, Russians, and Venezuelans would drill oil in nasty, dirty places so we wouldn’t have to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even our food — which would be always in season — would increasingly be shipped in from Mexico and South America.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Refined Americans became more concerned over questions of gender, race and class justice in our universities and courtrooms, as if the chief problem were only dividing the American pie equitably, rather than expanding it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The real source of American wealth apparently was the mere fact that we were Americans. Therefore, the rest of the world should naturally loan us money to sustain our envied lifestyle. Our homes got bigger, and we bought and sold them more as investments than as places to raise our families.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our top graduates opted for Wall Street, insurance, law, journalism, and academia. Why not, when laws made it more conducive to invest and trade, but harder and less lucrative to build, drill, farm, and manufacture?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;American universities bragged that they were teaching the world how to design and engineer — as our own kids gravitated to law and management schools. We relied on a paternalistic government to regulate what we shouldn’t do rather than turn to our best and brightest private citizens to show us what we could.&lt;br /&gt;Alas, no successful civilization in history — Greece, Rome, England, France, the list goes on — ever found prosperity through its bureaucrats and lawyers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The result of all this growing American laxity and condescension so far is mixed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The good news, aside from the fact that Americans have never had it so good, is that millions in China are no longer starving. Japan talks of marketing hybrid cars, not re-establishing its old “Co-Prosperity Sphere.” The Persian Gulf looks more like Las Vegas than the badlands of Waziristan. Billions in the new globalized world are now emulating the American middle class, which, for all the caricatures, still represents freedom and affluence for so many.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The downside, of course, is a growing collective panic here at home, over whether such undeniable progress is sustainable when America is up to its neck in debt, dependent on foreign energy and plagued by self-doubt and inaction.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our 21st-century paralysis is surprising. The United States is not materially exhausted. We sit atop trillions of dollars worth of untapped oil, gas, coal, shale, and tar sands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;America could mine more uranium, and reprocess fuels to build hundreds of nuclear plants. American agriculture is blessed with the world’s best soils, most developed irrigation systems, and most productive and astute farmers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is as much sun and wind in the western United States as anywhere in the world. We have plenty of natural resources and the know-how to make all the wood, steel, and cement products we need.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A new, hungrier generation of Americans will have to want to reclaim our preeminence and change the national attitude. It must be ready to pay off generations of debt rather than borrow, build rather than sue, and drill rather than whine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It’s time to honor rather than avoid and outsource physical labor. Our children are healthy enough to cut our own lawns and pick our fruit. Let’s also hope they want to hear a lot more about Gen. David Petraeus’s success, and a lot less of Madonna’s latest psychodramas.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But just as importantly, what Americans need now is leadership to get moving again — rather than more platitudes about hope, squabbling about race and gender, and endless rhetoric about who is really a maverick or a true conservative or the most liberal. What we need to know from our two presidential candidates are specifics about how to jump start America.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, how many more barrels of oil, refineries and megawatts will America produce —and when and how? How much debt will the next administration retire — and when and how? How and when will our schools return to knowledge-based rather than the present (and failing) therapeutic curriculum?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Americans, in short, should be tired of hearing that we are a post-industrial, postmodern, post-anything society. Instead, we want to be known again as a can-do producer nation that sweats as much as it thinks. And the confident presidential candidate who can best assure us of that will surely win this election.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;— Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a recipient of the 2007 National Humanities Medal.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;© 2008 Tribune Media Services, Inc.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;

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            <description>    &lt;div id=&quot;ci1c&quot;&gt; By way of disclosure, I am something of a Civil
Liberties fanatic, and am firmly convinced that Obama did the wrong
thing on retroactive immunity and am angry about that. Also, I haven&amp;#39;t
trusted George W. Bush since the first 10 secs I saw him speaking. He
reminded me of the arrogant lying bullies who used to break my bones
when I was a youngster. He set off all my alarms just by the way he
talked and moved.Obama was something like my 4th choice in the
primaries, ahead of Clinton.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, I&amp;#39;m not an apologist for any of
the current crop of politicians, and not at all well disposed towards
anything that looks to weaken the rule of law, the Constitution or our
civil liberties. All that being said, the brouhaha over FISA and the
accusations of cowardice, lack of principles and political opportunism
has started sounding a whole lot more like heat than the light of
reason. A recent claim claim by Lawrence Lessig, a Civil Libertarian
with a background in law made me stop and think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote id=&quot;t.461&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt; [Obama&amp;#39;s] vote for the FISA compromise is thus not a vote for immunity. It is a vote that reflects the judgment that &lt;strong id=&quot;t.462&quot;&gt;securing the amendments to FISA was more important than denying immunity to telcos&lt;/strong&gt;.
Whether you agree with that judgment or not, we should at least
recognize (hysteria notwithstanding) what kind of judgment it was. The
amendments to FISA were good. Getting a regime that requires the
executive to obey the law is important. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; People on the
left, people like Glenn Greenwald, Jonathan Turley, Russ Feingold and
Chris Dodd keep painting the recent FISA as a false compromise, a
capitulation to Bush, and a blot on the fourth amendment. So why do
Lessig and former Constitutional Law lecturer Obama say that it is
important? Who is right?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well either you can pick your authority
figure and believe them—you pays your money and you takes your
chances—or roll up your sleeves, wade into the bill and make your own
decision. I never was the &amp;quot;argument from authority&amp;quot; type. So why should
I pick one camp or the other?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;ve been working on this posting
for more than a week, and I think I have a handle on a line of
reasoning that shows that the FISA amendment makes sense and may very
well be a &amp;quot;Good Thing™&amp;quot;. I don&amp;#39;t find the argument compelling, but I
think that it really deserves to be fully explicated, discussed and
weighed, and as of yet, I think that I can respect and understand
anyone who feels either that it outweighs the argument that FISA as a
whole or as amended is so damaging to civil liberties and the rule of
law that it outweighs the benefit or the other way around. I would
really like to hear people who are passionate on both sides after they
understand this reasoning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2 id=&quot;t.468&quot;&gt;Assumptions&lt;/h2&gt; There are
a number of assumptions regarding the level of protection that should
be afforded communications depending upon the people and jurisdictions
involved. In terms of the three major combinations, the following
breakdown seems to by the default assumption:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;ol id=&quot;mtwb&quot;&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;t.4610&quot;&gt; Spying on foreign/foreign communications is OK. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;t.4611&quot;&gt; Intercepting US/US communications requires a warrant or constitutional equivalent. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;t.4612&quot;&gt; Intercepting US/foreign communications is the purview of the FISA court and law&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;r1ag&quot;&gt;The location where the spying is done is not as important as who is communicating.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt; In the next couple of subsections, I will lay out each of these, at least briefly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3 id=&quot;zh-d&quot;&gt;1. Spying is OK&lt;/h3&gt;
Some would argue that &amp;quot;spying is important&amp;quot; or even &amp;quot;spying is necessary&amp;quot;. For the purposes of this analysis, all we need to assume is that it is legitimate for the foreign intelligence services to spy on foreigners when that is in keeping with their mission, our relationship to the foreign nations involved, so
long as they do so in accordance with their regulations and charter.
Such spying is conducted beyond the jurisdiction of the United States
and beyond the guarantees of our constitution. Thus &amp;quot;foreign/foreign&amp;quot;
communication, by which I mean communications between two people,
neither of whom is a &amp;quot;US person&amp;quot;, should not be controlled by US
warrants or restricted by Constitutional rights. International laws may
apply.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is certainly possible to disbelieve in spying, but we
have done foreign spying for a very long time and the foreign
intelligence services have always been unencumbered by the US courts
and Constitution, so long as they were operating outside the US and the
subjects were foreigners.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3 id=&quot;usw2&quot;&gt;2. US/US requires a warrant&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;
On the other hand, spying on Americans in America requires a court order. In essence, whenever the US Constitution is the ruling law, Warrants are required, otherwise it is &amp;quot;unreasonable search and seizure&amp;quot;. The simplest version of this is communications between two US citizens, in the US, but resident aliens in the US are by&amp;#160; precedent also protected by the Constitution. The term &amp;quot;US persons&amp;quot; is used in many laws as a shorthand for US citizens, US resident aliens and US corporations, since corporations are generally treated as &amp;quot;persons&amp;quot; in US law at present. For the purposes of FISA, &amp;quot;US person&amp;quot; is defined as follows:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“United States person” means a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence (as defined in section 1101 (a)(20) of title 8), an unincorporated association a substantial number of members of which are citizens of the United States or aliens lawfully admitted for permanent residence, or a corporation which is incorporated in the United States, but does not include a corporation or an association which is a foreign power, as defined in subsection (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this section.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;The requirement for warrants is a fundamental right in America, and the Constitution specifically limits the power of the government within its jurisdiction. There are certain questions about where the Constitution holds sway, but it at the very least applies within the sovereign jurisdiction of the United States and in all dealings between the US government and US citizens regardless of location.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3 id=&quot;p_1u&quot;&gt;3. FISA controls US/foreign surveillance&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;
One may think, either as a civil libertarian or as a proponent of a
strong federal executive that FISA in principle is bad law, but since
1978 in order to balance the government&amp;#39;s legitimate foreign
intelligence interests with the need for judicial oversight, FISA has
been the law. It&amp;#39;s basic charter is to control spying that occurs
between US persons and foreign powers or agents. The simple Wikipedia
summary of FISA is pretty much in keeping with my understanding and
reads as follows:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote id=&quot;on5t&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;The act was created to
provide Judicial and congressional oversight of the government&amp;#39;s covert
surveillance activities of foreign entities and individuals in the
United States, while maintaining the secrecy needed to protect national
security. It allowed warrantless surveillance within the United States
for up to one year unless the &amp;quot;surveillance will acquire the contents
of any communication to which a United States person is a party&amp;quot;. If a
United States person is involved, judicial authorization was required
within 72 hours &lt;em id=&quot;on5t0&quot;&gt;after&lt;/em&gt; surveillance begins.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In short, if no US person is involved, even if the surveillance occurs
within the US, assumption #1 applies, if a foreign agent power and US
person are both involved, a FISA order is required. If not foreign
agents or powers are involved, assumption #2 rules. FISA arose because
the line between all-foreign and all-US can be blurry. FISA adds
assumption #3 as the middle ground.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3 id=&quot;tnfa&quot;&gt;4. Location is now unimportant&lt;/h3&gt;
When the mindset behind FISA was formed, location was pretty much
static. If you were spying on two foreigners who were outside the US,
you pretty much could be assumed to be outside the US. If you were
listening to the conversation between two Americans who were inside the
US, then you were probably there, too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Today, this is less true.
Main communications lines are often centered in the US and
communications between foreign locations can often be picked up in the
US. Similarly, Internal US communications may very well travel outside
the US &lt;em id=&quot;q41o&quot;&gt;en route&lt;/em&gt;. It is generally assumed that this shouldn&amp;#39;t change the situation &lt;em id=&quot;n0bi&quot;&gt;vis a vis&lt;/em&gt;
rights and Constitutional protections. The US government shouldn&amp;#39;t be
able to spy on Americans who are in America just because the act of
spying occurs outside the US. Likewise, if traffic between known
terrorists in Pakistan and agents in Spain happens to flow through the
United States, the CIA should be as free to spy on it would have been
if the bits/electrons had never crossed over our borders.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This
is at the heart of the &amp;quot;FISA must be modernized to keep up with
technology&amp;quot; argument that you often hear. And generally, I think that
it is correct. The rights and protections should be determined
primarily by who the actors are and who the subjects are, and
secondarily where the subjects are located. Anything done in the US or
to Americans must take the Constitution into account. From an ethical
perspective we might like to say that, just for instance, all people
are created equal and are naturally endowed with certain unalienable
rights, and so the US Constitution should protect the rights of all of humanity everywhere.
There are,however, myriad practical and political problems with that
view.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2 id=&quot;mm_b&quot;&gt;What is &amp;quot;private&amp;quot;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/h2&gt; Beyond jurisdiction,
the other thing that determines the legality of information gathering
is the question of privacy. Gathering public information is merely
being well informed. Gathering private information is spying, or at
least searching. And so the notion of an &amp;quot;expectation of privacy&amp;quot;
enters the picture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div id=&quot;mkzi0&quot;&gt;Current law holds that while the content of electronic communications such as phone calls and emails is generally protected (where US Constitutional and other protections apply), the addressing of the messages are not. The court generally has held that the average citizen has less of an expectation of privacy regarding the numbers called than regarding what is said. The address and return address on a postal envelope along with the postmark information is even less protected.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the purely telephonic days, the devices that were used in this area were &amp;quot;pen registers&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;trap and trace devices&amp;quot;. Pen registers recorded the numbers that a phone dialed. Trap and trace devices could determine and record the numbers from which incoming calls originated. These concepts have been adapted to digital messaging and networking. Thus, capturing and recording the addresses that computer traffic flows through is less protected than examining and recording the content of the messages. &lt;img alt=&quot;Example postcard&quot; height=&quot;308&quot; id=&quot;t.4618&quot; src=&quot;http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3081/2662466668_5701e2dd14.jpg?v=0&quot; style=&quot;float: right; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 10px;&quot; width=&quot;407&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This
brings us to the illustration of the post card that accompanies this
article. Most Internet traffic isn&amp;#39;t encrypted, and the address and
data portion of a network packet are the same sort of things. In many
ways, it is as if mail was accomplished with postcards rather than
envelops. Imagine if you will, that the law applied to the information
on a postcard the way it does to the Internet or phone call. Without a
warrant, it is OK to capture and record the address and return address
and the postmark information, but not the text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Further, let us
apply our assumptions above. If the sender and recipient are foreign
nationals, operating outside the US, then it is OK for the intelligence
services to read the whole postcard, but if either the sender or
recipient is a &amp;quot;United States-person&amp;quot;, then a warrant or other
authorization is required. One can envision a peculiar device that
covers the left half of the card or the handwriting on the left,
exposing the printed return address, scans the address and postmark and
determines the identity and location of the sender and recipient,
compares that with suitable records and makes the decision as to
whether the hidden portion can lawfully be photographed and recorded.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mr.
Kringle is a native of the North Pole, territory claimed by the
Russians. Records show that the postcard arrived on a plane from
Canada, but the postmark shows that before that it was mailed within
the US. Young Mr. Dough is a US-person, possibly a US citizen. Before
such phrases as &amp;quot;keeping a little list&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;fellow travelers&amp;quot; can be
used as evidence that Mr. Kringle is a &amp;quot;Red&amp;quot;, Mr Dough&amp;#39;s rights must be
accounted for.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My fanciful steam punk postcard scanner is
actually not all that fanciful. It is rather analogous to the sort of
software you would need to use in order to capture email. Email
messages are just streams of bytes organized into packets and messages
according to a whole hierarchy of standards and protocols, and the way
that the addresses are encoded is not particularly different from the
way that the message content is. In the outer couple of protocol
layers,IP addresses are encoded in binary, but the to and from fields
of an email message are encoded in exactly the same sort of human
readable text as the body of the message. The most simple minded search
programs that you could use to search an email stream could readily
scan unprotected addresses and protected contents with equal ease.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To
implement the intent of our laws, that foreign/foreign messages can be
scanned, searched and recorded by our intelligence services, without a
warrant or the involvement of the courts, but insure that US/US email
requires an ordinary warrant and US/foreign-agent email can be handled
in accordance with the FISA law, a moderately intelligent and carefully
crafted program needs to be used.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Basically such a device would
consist of a &amp;quot;pen register&amp;quot; to determine who the message addressed to
and a &amp;quot;trap and trace device&amp;quot; to determine where it came from. An
analyst or analytical engine of some sort then determines if at least
one &amp;quot;US person&amp;quot; is involved, and if any foreign agents are involved. If
both are &amp;quot;United States Persons&amp;quot;, then a list of applicable warrants
determines if the contents can be saved or analyzed. If no US person is
involved, then the message can be freely analyzed. If a mixture, then a
check for the FISA process must be made.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any system for scanning the Internet trunk feeds that we have access must be very carefully controlled. The software wants to be carefully designed and implemented, and the people operating and maintaining it must be carefully vetted. The policies and procedures for authorizing and monitoring its use must be carefully written and and enforced with appropriate oversight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally, if I were with the federal government, my approach would be to split the trunk and send the duplicate feed into a highly secured room, control who had access to that room, staff it only with people who had serious background checks, make sure there was a field manual and oversight. Given their charter, the combination of technology and surveillance would suggest that the NSA be the agency chartered to handle this. I&amp;#39;m thinking it would look a whole lot like the whistle-blower described. The question is can the feds be trusted? Given my&amp;#160; dedication to civil liberties and my view on the lawless behavior of the current administration,&amp;#160; I&amp;#39;d have to say, no, not in the current instant. But that doesn&amp;#39;t mean that no US Attorney General and no National Security Adviser can be trusted. It just means that we know that they can&amp;#39;t all be. We have illustrative examples.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now a bunch of Senators,
Representatives and the odd Presidential candidate probably have more
faith in the notion that the federal government can be structured and
run in a way that is trustworthy. In the end, most of us trust
ourselves and some fraction of folks like us. So, with that in mind,
how does the recently passed FISA amendment stand up?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2 id=&quot;xauf&quot;&gt;What &lt;em id=&quot;xauf0&quot;&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; the new FISA?&lt;/h2&gt;
While working on this posting I&amp;#39;ve read Title I of the recently passed
FISA amendment bill a couple of times and tried to chart out the
differences. While doing so, I came across someone who has done the
same thing and published his completed flow chart of the original and
amended FISA, skipping the short-live Protect America Act. Let&amp;#39;s have a
look at his analysis along with the actual text. The original article
can be found on Wes Walls&amp;#39; blog &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/politics/understanding-recent-changes-to-fisa-a-visual-guide-flowchart/&quot; id=&quot;pavj&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Ketchup and Caviar&quot;&gt;Ketchup and Caviar&lt;/a&gt;. Here are the two flowcharts:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/wp-content/uploads/images/fisa1.gif&quot; id=&quot;kmri&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;img id=&quot;e2rd&quot; src=&quot;http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/wp-content/uploads/images/fisa1.gif&quot; style=&quot;margin: 1em 1em 0pt 0pt; width: 45%; float: left;&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;div id=&quot;n0yq&quot; style=&quot;padding: 1em 0pt; text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/wp-content/uploads/images/fisa2.gif&quot; id=&quot;i_6g&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;img id=&quot;i_6g0&quot; src=&quot;http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/wp-content/uploads/images/fisa2.gif&quot; style=&quot;width: 50%;&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt; In his analysis, Wes says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote id=&quot;thxo0&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;The
focus of change is the bolded red line marked “U.S. or non-U.S. Persons
Located Inside or Outside the U.S.” Currently a warrant is required in
this case. Notice the changes involving the bolded blue lines and text
in the [second] chart. What New FISA does is create a special case
involving our bold red line in the first chart. It provides a way for
the executive branch to engage in warrantless (but “certified”)
wiretapping of wire and cable (including email and phone) of any
Foreign-to-U.S. communications collected inside the U.S. You’ll see the
new set of criteria for certification in this special case. It does add
new protections for U.S. Persons (citizens or greencard holders) by
requiring the typical FISA warrant in all cases in which they are
targeted.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; I would have worded the change differently.
What I would note is that the upper middle section of the flowchart
changes from being based on location (the one rounded corner box and
the three red lines) to a simpler pair of boxes based on whether any US
person is involved. As a result, there is now a relatively simple three
way decision regarding foreign surveillance. (Note that there is a
fourth case, the &amp;quot;normal&amp;quot; one: If no foreign agents are involved,
surveillance requires an ordinary warrant.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol id=&quot;sfi:0&quot;&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;sfi:1&quot;&gt;If any US person is involved or the communications is domestic, a FISA warrant is needed&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;sfi:2&quot;&gt;If
no US person is involved, the communications is email or over cables, a
special &amp;quot;Certification of Mass Acquisition&amp;quot; is available.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;sfi:3&quot;&gt;Otherwise, no warrant is needed when no US person is involved.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
Paths 1 and 3 represent the simple cases. One no US persons are
involved and the communications is foreign, the foreign intelligence
services are unencumbered by US law (#1). Generally, if the foreign
intelligence services want to spy on Americans or in America, then a
FISA warrant is needed (#3). One exception for this is allowed. Spying
on electronic communications of non-US persons outside the US by means
of surveillance inside the US can be done under the new &amp;quot;Mass
Acquisition&amp;quot; process. Note that this is specifically the case where
communications that is fair game to our spies is embedded in a system
that is known to contain protected US communications that is not
targeted. (This is pretty much my case where the combination of a pen
register, trap and trace device and analytical engine can be used to
separate the two.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And that brings us to the blue box in the bottom right. Here&amp;#39;s what Wes has there:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol id=&quot;f97f&quot; style=&quot;color: rgb(7, 55, 99);&quot;&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;f97f0&quot;&gt;&lt;span id=&quot;f97f1&quot; style=&quot;background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243);&quot;&gt;Is the target reasonably believed to be located outside the United States?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;f97f2&quot;&gt;&lt;span id=&quot;f97f3&quot; style=&quot;background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243);&quot;&gt;Is the purpose of the targeting to acquire foreign intelligence information?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;f97f4&quot;&gt;&lt;span id=&quot;f97f5&quot; style=&quot;background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243);&quot;&gt;In
the particular case, will &amp;quot;minimization procedures&amp;quot; adequately balance
the privacy of US citizens against foreign intelligence needs?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;f97f6&quot;&gt;&lt;span id=&quot;f97f7&quot; style=&quot;background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243);&quot;&gt;Will there be a good-faith effort to avoid domestic targets and domestic communications? Will other limitations be observed? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt; I&amp;#39;ve removed the struck out text and the pointer to &lt;a href=&quot;http://balkin.blogspot.com/2008/06/guide-to-new-fisa-bill-part-ii.html&quot; id=&quot;jp4p&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;part II&quot;&gt;part II&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;span class=&quot;rss:item&quot; id=&quot;ra0s&quot;&gt;David Kris&amp;#39;s &lt;/span&gt;&amp;quot;A Guide to the New FISA Bill&amp;quot;. I will address these shortly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Questions #1 and #2 basically reiterate the decisions that got us through the flow chart to Mass Acquisition. The new act&amp;#39;s jurisdiction has gone from searches involving a &amp;quot;foreign power or agent thereof&amp;quot; to focusing on non-US persons outside the US (question #1). This is actually a good thing for the civil liberties of US persons, since as previously defined, a foreign agent could be a US person working for a foreign power. The question now is just &amp;quot;US person or non-US person&amp;quot;. Without the struck out text, question #2 is basically a restatement of part of the logic that got us to this section. It becomes &amp;quot;Is the purpose of targeting [foreign communications between non-US persons believed to be outside the US by capturing traffic within the US] to target foreign intelligence information?&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With Question #3 we get to the heart
of the issue, the &amp;quot;minimization procedures&amp;quot;. These are spelled out in
the bill in section 702 e, as follows (via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h6304/text&quot; id=&quot;nnfe&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;OpenCongress&quot;&gt;OpenCongress&lt;/a&gt;):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote id=&quot;n6ca&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt; (e) Minimization Procedures- &lt;ol id=&quot;sg2j&quot;&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;sg2j0&quot;&gt;REQUIREMENT
TO ADOPT- The Attorney General, in consultation with the Director of
National Intelligence, shall adopt minimization procedures that meet
the definition of minimization procedures under section 101(h) or
301(4), as appropriate, for acquisitions authorized under subsection
(a).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;sg2j1&quot;&gt; JUDICIAL REVIEW- The minimization procedures
adopted in accordance with paragraph (1) shall be subject to judicial
review pursuant to subsection (i). &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;  Section &amp;quot;301(4)&amp;quot;, mentioned in #1 refers to physical surveillance, so the relevant section is 101(h), as follows (via &lt;a href=&quot;http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.06304:&quot; id=&quot;um-i&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Thomas&quot;&gt;Thomas&lt;/a&gt;):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote id=&quot;a88w&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;enumbell&quot; id=&quot;ugph3&quot;&gt;(h)&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;ptext-1&quot; id=&quot;ugph4&quot;&gt;“Minimization procedures”, with respect to electronic surveillance, means— &lt;/span&gt; &lt;ol id=&quot;f15w&quot;&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;f15w0&quot;&gt;&lt;a id=&quot;ugph6&quot; name=&quot;h_1&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;ptext-2&quot; id=&quot;ugph8&quot;&gt;specific
procedures, which shall be adopted by the Attorney General, that are
reasonably designed in light of the purpose and technique of the
particular surveillance, to minimize the acquisition and retention, and
prohibit the dissemination, of nonpublicly available information
concerning unconsenting United States persons consistent with the need
of the United States to obtain, produce, and disseminate foreign
intelligence information; &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;f15w1&quot;&gt;&lt;a id=&quot;ugph10&quot; name=&quot;h_2&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;ptext-2&quot; id=&quot;ugph12&quot;&gt;procedures
that require that nonpublicly available information, which is not
foreign intelligence information, as defined in subsection (e)(1) of
this section, shall not be disseminated in a manner that identifies any
United States person, without such person’s consent, unless such
person’s identity is necessary to understand foreign intelligence
information or assess its importance; &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;f15w2&quot;&gt;&lt;a id=&quot;ugph14&quot; name=&quot;h_3&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;ptext-2&quot; id=&quot;ugph15&quot;&gt;notwithstanding
paragraphs (1) and (2), procedures that allow for the retention and
dissemination of information that is evidence of a crime which has
been, is being, or is about to be committed and that is to be retained
or disseminated for law enforcement purposes; and &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;a id=&quot;ugph16&quot; name=&quot;h_4&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;jukx&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;ptext-2&quot; id=&quot;jukx0&quot;&gt;notwithstanding paragraphs (1), (2), and (3), with respect to any electronic surveillance approved pursuant to section  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001802----000-.html&quot; id=&quot;ugph19&quot;&gt;1802&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001802----000-.html#a&quot; id=&quot;ugph20&quot;&gt;(a)&lt;/a&gt;
of this title, procedures that require that no contents of any
communication to which a United States person is a party shall be
disclosed, disseminated, or used for any purpose or retained for longer
than 72 hours unless a court order under section &lt;a href=&quot;http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001805----000-.html&quot; id=&quot;ugph21&quot;&gt;1805&lt;/a&gt;
of this title is obtained or unless the Attorney General determines
that the information indicates a threat of death or serious bodily harm
to any person. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; In essence, this is the
requirements document for the pen register, trap and trace device and
analytical engine device. Where as question #3 is &amp;quot;will the procedures
be adequate?&amp;quot;, question #4 is &amp;quot;will a good-faith effort be made to see
that they are applied?&amp;quot; Two changes in the law would seem to attempt to
speak to this question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, throughout the document, things that used to be the purview of the Attorney General or &amp;quot;the Attorney General &lt;em id=&quot;l:18&quot;&gt;or&lt;/em&gt; the National Security Advisor&amp;quot; are now &amp;quot;the Attorney General &lt;em id=&quot;iyej&quot;&gt;and&lt;/em&gt;
the National Security Advisor&amp;quot; or at least &amp;quot;the Attorney General with
the advice of the National Security Advisor&amp;quot;. This doesn&amp;#39;t guarantee
the good intentions or competence of the two people, but it at least
requires the collusion of two Senate approved officials, and one can
see why the Senators might want that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second, the bill
explicitly states in a number of places that the actions taken &amp;quot;shall
be conducted in a manner consistent with the fourth amendment to the
Constitution of the United States.&amp;quot; This may seem frivolous. After all,
all US laws must be consistent with the Constitution, and no federal
action may legitimately violate Constitutionally protected rights.
However, the inclusion of this specific proviso in the FISA law means
that violations of the 4th amendment in carrying out these procedures
is not only a violation of Constitutionally protected rights, with all
that entails, but a federal crime under this statute as well. This
provides an additional means of prosecution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It remains to be
seen whether these changes will have the beneficial effects that the
Senators and others who support it hope, but I begin to see why they
might think that this is an important improvement to the FISA laws. It&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul id=&quot;bhez&quot;&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez0&quot;&gt;brings all foreign surveillance under this law&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez1&quot;&gt;aligns the law with the jurisdiction and protections of the Constitution&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez2&quot;&gt;requires explicit procedures be defined for winnowing protected US communications from unprotected foreign communications&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez3&quot;&gt;makes the AG and NSA jointly responsible&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez4&quot;&gt;requires review&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez5&quot;&gt;makes explicit the criminal nature of stepping outside this law or the Constitution&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez6&quot;&gt;increases senate oversight&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez7&quot;&gt;makes explicit the grounds for criminal proceedings&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;
While it may be argued that this law can be abused, that the government
can use it as cover for domestic surveillance, the law explicitly
addresses that. The law makes it a crime to target any of the following
(from section 702(b)):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote id=&quot;p2d:&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt; (b) Limitations- An acquisition authorized under subsection (a)-- &lt;ol id=&quot;p2d:0&quot;&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;p2d:1&quot;&gt;may not intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to be located in the United States; 	 &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;p2d:2&quot;&gt;&lt;em id=&quot;p2d:3&quot;&gt;may
not intentionally target a person reasonably believed to be located
outside the United States if the purpose of such acquisition is to
target a particular, known person reasonably believed to be in the
United States;&lt;/em&gt; 	 &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;p2d:4&quot;&gt;may not intentionally target a United States person reasonably believed to be located outside the United States; 	 &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;p2d:5&quot;&gt;may
not intentionally acquire any communication as to which the sender and
all intended recipients are known at the time of the acquisition to be
located in the United States; and &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;p2d:6&quot;&gt;shall be conducted in a manner consistent with the fourth amendment to the Constitution of the United States. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;  Making it a crime doesn&amp;#39;t stop it, but it does give us a handle for dealing with it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the end, given the need to balance the Constitutional protections of US persons and anyone in the US with the need to allow the foreign intelligence services to spy on foreigners overseas, and the facts of the mingling of foreign and domestic traffic and that email is more like postcards than letters in envelopes, I am left wondering&amp;#160; what alternative there is other than a law something like this one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;     &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;A partisan video to be sure but it speaks to facts that Congress chooses to ignore.&amp;#160; The time has come to face the facts and take action now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What to do this very minute?&amp;#160; Go to the links below and sign the petitions.&amp;#160; Set aside party loyalty and do what is in the best interests of this nation.&amp;#160; America needs to utilize our own natural resources rather than taking those of the rest of the world and paying a heavy price in the process.&amp;#160; Note that all that money we pay out does not create jobs in this country which would change instantly if we drill here at home.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Go to these links and take action:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;American Solutions Petition:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americansolutions.com/actioncenter/petitions/?Guid=54ec6e43-75a8-445b-aa7b-346a1e096659&quot;&gt;http://www.americansolutions.com/actioncenter/petitions/?Guid=54ec6e43-75a8-445b-aa7b-346a1e096659&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Grassfire.org Petition:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grassfire.org/108/petition.asp?PID=17354449&amp;amp;NID=1&quot;&gt;http://www.grassfire.org/108/petition.asp?PID=17354449&amp;amp;NID=1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Senator McConnell Petition:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.teammitch.com/site/c.lsKWL9PKLpF/b.4333913/k.12D8/Support_the_Gas_Price_Reduction_Act_of_2008/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=lsKWL9PKLpF&amp;amp;b=4333913&amp;amp;en=juINK1NOJkIRJ7PULcKPJfNUKkIWJ8PQLkK5KlO6E&quot;&gt;http://www.teammitch.com/site/c.lsKWL9PKLpF/b.4333913/k.12D8/Support_the_Gas_Price_Reduction_Act_of_2008/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=lsKWL9PKLpF&amp;amp;b=4333913&amp;amp;en=juINK1NOJkIRJ7PULcKPJfNUKkIWJ8PQLkK5KlO6E&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let your voice be heard NOW.&amp;#160; Waiting only hurts the nation even more and costs you and I money we cannot afford to spend on gasoline.&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;

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