The Historian

PROGRESSIVES LOVE UNIONS & COULD CARE LESS ABOUT CHILDREN

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DC shouldnt tell folks, "Yeah, our skools suck, and we dont wanna actually fix them so here's a ticket to a better school, a catholic school, down the street"

DC should fix the schools. Thats what it comes down to. Do you want to shirk off the responsibility? Or do you want to get your hands dirty and fix the larger problem?

Vouchers only help those who have the means to ask for it. Fixing the schools help everyone.

You are, of course, exactly right. However all efforts at public school reform has been and continues to be blocked by teacher's unions. Thus vouchers are the only way out for poor people stuck in the worst schools imaginable.

It is a sad story but it comes back to those unions and the polticians they have in their pockets.

Absolutely, and I was thinking that after I posted. Its the unions who defend unaffective teachers. I used to be an earth sci high school teacher for a hot second in Richmond... where they gave me a closet and a cart. How does one teach earth science without a classroom!? I met one disaffected teacher after another. It was sad, and I do feel bad.

In DC they have a new schools czar. She's been making sweeping changes, and hopefully, in a few years, vouchers will be a thing of the past.

Maybe so: keep all fingers crossed! Thanks for the visit and the comments.
Here in California the teachers' unions flooded the advertising market when vouchers were put on the ballot with the same message. Vouchers will hurt state run schools. State run schools would have had to compete with charter schools for those vouchers. I failed because of their deceitful message. This is the same state where so called teachers that are unfit to teach are paid full salaries to show up to an empty room and do as they please because they can't be trusted with kids. Literally, people charged with sexual abuse of kids are paid full salaries because their jobs are so protected by these unions. It makes me sick whenever they complain they need more money. And to prove they need more money they manage their budgets away from the classrooms and into administration building projects. I am seething mad at the waste and the choke hold the unions have on the politicians and public opinion.
What is interesting in California is that due to the pathetic state of the public schools, the charter school movement which is publically funded is booming. BIg surprise.
The problem with Charter Schools is longevity. They frequently fail, and then the families who have invested in them need to look elsewhere.
California spends most per student than any other state and is 3rd from the bottom in their success rate. I believe I have my facts straight on that. I know I'm not far off if it isn't accurate. The point is, the bigger the dollar amount does not equal the better success rate. State schools are already failing but they are propped up. Charter schools get results, so if they have to hunt for a new school when one closes, that is still much better than the state's solution. With vouchers, this would not be a problem. The school that functions gets the traffic. The school that fails the kids, fails financially.
Regardless of spending and perceptions of failure in Public Schools, Charter Schools are not the panacea for the ills of our education system. They close frequently. Instability is disruptive to education, and to argue otherwise I find quite disingenuous. Other issues with Charter school are how they are run, and they are quite inconsistent in this regard. Which is the same issue that brought Public Systems under flack like Oakland for example when the State of California took control. Charter Schools have all the same problems in addition to other ones such as unfairness.

I'm not exactly against the idea of Charter Schools, but in my mind they have to perform as Public Entities - which means not for profit, institutions which are accountable to public process. Privatizing educational institutions or any other like entity which doesn't readily lend itself to selling a discrete product is doomed to failure.
In 1973 I moved from a tiny town in Oklahoma, 2 years before that I'd moved from a county seat town in Oklahoma. Both of those schools were literally years ahead compared to what I was placed in here in Anaheim Ca. Years ahead!!! Nothing has changed as far as I can see. California schools are now not only not keeping up, they are indoctrinating our kids to hate Christianity or at least keep their mouths shut if they are Christians and accept Islam repleat with saying a Muslim prayer, taking a Muslim name, wearing Muslim garb and fasting for Ramadan. Most charter schools are free from that garbage but hey, if the parent wants that, they can find a charter that will do that for them.

If charter schools are the difference between what I was given in Oklahoma compared to here, then charter students can afford the disruption long enough to find a different school that will also keep them ahead of state run institutions. Call me disingenuous if you want to, but students are much better off with their parents dictating what the student is to focus on and what extra curricular activities are good for their development rather than a state infected with, (yes I used the word infected) with CAIR an unindicted co-conspirator in the Hamas funding scandal, which wants to revisit history to clean up the image of Islam. Successfully I might add.
I keep forgetting to hit the reply key.
What the charter school movement signifies is parents using their freedom of choice to save their kids from the public schools. The same is true of the exploding home schooling movement. The handwriting is on the wall for the public schools and their teacher's union masters.

Henesua-

Good points. Charter schools are publically funded and are subject to County Office of Education direction and control. The leg up they have is that they are not controlled by teacher's unions and they are not subject to as many of the most ridiculous guidelines that weaken regular public schools. For instance a Charter school can expel students with far less effort and a Charter school can avoid passing a student forward to the next grade level if that student is not ready.

The real sad fact is that 40-50 years ago the public education system in California was the best in the nation. Now it is close to the worst.
Judge, I went through the public school system in California more recently than you, and yes it was crap. But somehow I and a significant number of my classmates despite the low standards went on to higher education and established ourselves as leaders in our fields. None of us converted to Islam either. Lets keep the politicized hyperbole out of this.

The problem as I see it is bureaucracy. You solve that problem. You solve it all. Interestingly enough not all school districts have the same level of problem in this department. And the responsive school districts frequently out perform private schools.

Mill Valley, Davis, Berkeley. For example.

Henesua-

Great point as to the bureaucracy. There is more to it than just that but that is a big chunk.

Many from the state run schools have to take special classes in college to be brought up to speed on college level introduction. That's a big chunk of change that the taxpayer has already paid for but the student or their parents have to cover again. The point about having any religion favored while the majority religion is not only limited but is commonly castigated is a travesty and a failing toward our society.

Bureaucracy is the problem, one which vouchers could have done and end run around. Forcing state schools to compete with charter schools would have fixed the problem by making all the schools state supported but competing for the approval of students and parents. The point is, in the current system the only motivation for improvement is found in people of character who choose to do the job well for their own reasons while leaving others to do pretty much as they please. Morality cannot be legislated so standards are better served by the competition of the market rather than a set of tests and requiring teachers to perform to an arbitrary standard at the same time the unions have managed to pull the teeth out of any consequence for not meeting those standards.
Let's face it, the schools need an academic core cirriculum that teaches kids all the basics. Families need to handle religion, morality, sex education, manners, etc.

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